Vote-kicking discussion

Current vote-kicking system is quite nice, but in my opinion it's still far from perfect. This are the features that a perfect system should have:

• 3 options: Kick, Abstain (default), Don't kick
• 2 possible outcomes: kickee kicked or not
• Vote pass condition based on Kick/Don't kick ratio
• Vote pass condition affected by kickee score (maybe by kicker score too?)
• Nothing stopping kickee to immediately start a counter-vote against kicker after the 1st vote fails
• Means to prevent vote spamming
• Enemy team cannot vote in case of griefing, teamkiller and afk kick reasons

For comparison, features of current system:

• 3 options: Kick kickee, Kick kicker, Abstain (default)
• 3 possible outcomes: kickee kicked, kicker kicked, vote inconclusive
• Vote pass condition based on players voted/all players ratio
• Vote pass condition not affected by score
• Every vote is also a counter-vote
• Means to prevent vote spamming
• Enemy team can always vote

It has several flaws: votes are only conclusive if more than 50% of players voted in favour (or more 50% voted against), which rarely happens on public servers due to people not giving a shit or being to stupid to vote, there is no way to dismiss the voting box without making a vote, kicking griefers and valuable players requires identical number of votes, enemy team can vote against kicking a griefer if they are dicks (they are most of the time).

I can implement anything that is decided in this thread. Make your own ideas if you want on what features should the vote-kicking system have and why.

 

This is well thought out. The problem with the current system is that it requires everybody to vote and idling the vote means voting no.
The neutral vote is crucial. Not sure if enemy team has to vote currently as well, because I have only played on pubs only once recently, but team-only vote sounds pretty common-sensical to me.

 

thats a great idea, i think i like it even more than score

vote spamming is not a big issue in current build compared to some of the previous builds. they can be caused by next map votes as well as kick votes. i think that fixing the problem with too much inconclusive kick votes would also reduce one part of the spam, so let's fix it first and then we will see if vote spam is also gone. the other part (next map) can be reduced by setting a cool-down for starting a next vote for everyone instead of just the original vote starter. also the cool-down can be increased from 4min (sic) to 15min or even more (with matches often lasting 1-2h, the 15min cool-down seems moderate).

i fear that would artificially rise the number of Yes votes, to a point where a troll might start a false vote, which would pass because of some random idiots on enemy team.

 

That build when the possible outputs were only to kick one or the other guy was indeed horrible, so this was an improvement. But adding "inconclusive" outcome isn't the path i would go, because while it solves that issue, it also creates a new one - it's too hard to make vote conclusive on most populated servers.

I would like to avoid situation where we put effort into designing and coding new vote-kicking system and then some guy comes and says the new system sucks. Ok, i realize this situation is unavoidable, i want to minimalize the number of those guys. That's why i encourage everyone to share your thoughts about it.

 

What if the vote was conclusive if the ratio of yes/no was 2:1 or bigger and over 33% of players voted?
And the other way around.

 

i'm gonna work on voting system soon and i need some feedback, so i asked for this thread to be moved into public section. its an old thread and some things have changed since i started it. but features listed under "perfect system" are still valid (except the score thing, i will prolly use time on server as kouji suggested or nothing at all).

if you have any additional ideas/thoughts regarding voting that are not already covered above, then this is the place to share them. i'm mostly interested in suggestions what key shortcuts should i use for yes/no (i was considering 1/2, F somethings or ,/.) and where to display the popup (under killfeed? bottom right?)

 

I do support preventing the enemy team from voting. In the real world, most of the time, your enemy won't vote out of the goodness of their hearts to lose their unfair advantage. This is assuming they even know it's a griefer on the other team being kicked and don't just click on a random box without thinking, the opposite of which is usually the case, but that's another issue that probably has no good solution.